ARC fee's

[Sabrina Amber Taylor Schmitt]

Is anyone else shocked at the sudden jump in fee's-

 

Does this effect your programing-

 

 

Please note that as part of these changes, effective July 1, 2011, your authorized provider fees will be as outlined in the table below. If you have been recently notified of price increases, we apologize for the multiple messages. A revised Authorized Provider Agreement will be sent to you by the end of the year.

 

Pricing Schedule for American Red Cross Health & Safety Training       

Course name	AP fee per participant
First Aid	$19
CPR + AED (Adult)	$19
CPR + AED (Pediatrics)	$19
First Aid + CPR + AED (Adult)	$27
First Aid + CPR + AED (Pediatrics)	$27
First Aid + CPR + AED (Adult + Pediatrics)	$27
CPR + AED for the Professional Rescuer	$27
Administering Emergency Oxygen	$10
Bloodborne Pathogens	$10
Responding to Emergencies (Adult + Pediatric)	$35
Emergency Medical Response	$19
Review/Challenge Class – First Aid	$19
Review/Challenge Class – CPR + AED (Adult)	$19
Review/Challenge Class – CPR + AED (Pediatrics)	$19
Review/Challenge Class – First Aid + CPR + AED (Adult)	$19
Review/Challenge Class – First Aid + CPR + AED (Adult + Pediatrics)	$19
Review/Challenge Class – CPR + AED for the Professional Rescuer	$19
To Whom It May Concern:Taylor, SabrinaReview/Challenge Class – Administering Emergency Oxygen	$8
Review/Challenge Class – Emergency Medical Response	$19
Sports Injury Prevention & First Aid with CPR	$27
Asthma Inhaler Training	$8
Basic Aid Training	$10
Cat and Dog First Aid	$19
Epinepherine Auto-Injector Training	$8
Wilderness First Aid	$19
Babysitter’s Training	$10
Nurse Assistant Training	$50
Learn to Swim – Levels 1-6	$5
Parend & Child Aquatics	$5
Basic Water Rescue Review	$5
Lifeguard	$35
Review Class – Lifeguarding	$35
Waterfront Lifeguarding	$35
Water Park	$35

*$35 will be the maximum fee per participant for participants taking training for multiple certifications.

[Sabrina Amber Taylor Schmitt]

correct-

 

[Ann Kempf]

I am trying to figure out how we can keep the WSI's certified and not violate any agreement.  Can we recertify the students every two years for the $35 per person....that would be a lot cheaper than the $5 per person from the Learn to Swim program.  This would give us an opportunity to go over the information in an inservice and keep all certified.

[Kimberly Moore]

Sabrina- as your employer develops your own program how will that support you if legal action is taken?  I know that your park district has a good name in the community but do you anticipate people going else where for a more "qualified" orginzation ie: swim america?

 

What are others looking at doing?  Will you develop your own program or will you team up with another organization?  If you are looking at other orginizations-- which ones are you looking at?

[Sabrina Amber Taylor Schmitt]

Ill message you- directly-

 

But short- We are looking at different options.  No i do not think parents look that closely at who is certifying the staff- they look at the quality of the program. 

I am not sure i can answer the legal questions- i am not sure there is a precedent- for legal actions on swim lessons as that is different than LGing.  

[Mark Garneau]

Interesting question -- doing a quick google search shows a bunch of swim lesson contracts. Although I'm not a lawyer one of my best teachers is a law student and I will be talking to him about this.

 

My first thought is if we are teaching to the swim lesson description and full fill it, we should be fine (and are not advertising it as a ARC type course).  If we have certified lifeguards supervising the activities I see no difference as if it was a simple swim team. 

 

Another interesting issue while looking at the AP Agreement on the ARC website that the Red Cross will "Provide services to you at a fair price, based on value".

 

 

[Lisa Phillips]

Kimberly and Sabrina,

 

I would agree that you must turn in all course rosters on classes that you teach with the American Red Cross name attached to them, then they are under the Authorized Provider Agreement and you are obligated to provide all info on all of those courses to ARC. However, if you remove all reference to ARC, and teach your own swim lesson program, not under the agreement, there is no longer an obligation. To ensure maintaining of certifications, you could simply hold some classes that you promote as ARC classes and provide those rosters to ARC. Nowhere in the AP Agreement does it state that you will not provide other programs at your facility outside of ARC programs, at least not in my agreement. Your only obligation to ARC is on ARC designated classes. For example, you could promote a Spring Session of ARC classes, promote the ARC name, use ARC materials, and submit ARC rosters, that would maintain certs.

 

That is my understanding of the agreement I read.

[Lisa Phillips]

Ann has a good idea, simply recertify all instructors every two years at $35 each, then teach your own swim lesson program. That eliminates all obligation to ARC or a need for an Authorized Provider agreement. Much less costly than $5 per person, per lesson. The only reason I would still certify them is the training and evaluation process of the course would be beneficial in maintaining competent instructors.